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COUNTY MATCHES
ECF STAGE 2008
DATES
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April 26
May 17
June 14
July 5 at Moat Community College, Leicester
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Dates are the defaults as specified by the rules.
OVERVIEW OF RESULTS
The Draw in its third, ultimately revised, form reached match captains late in the evening of Sunday 13th April, only a day or so later than promised. Inevitably it differed from the impossible second version posted 8th April on the ECF website. (For the first version 15.2.08, see bottom of page.)
Results shown in red are given in full below (click on the section headings). Results shown in blue are not. The blue results come from various sources, not always official.
OPEN
Quarter-finals (A) Lancs (N) v Staffs (M3); (B) Surrey (S2) 10½ 5½ Warwickshire (M2); (C) Gtr Manchester (M1) v Middx (S3). Bye: Herts (S1)
Semi-finals (A) v Surrey (S2); Herts (S1) v (C)
MINOR COUNTIES
Quarter-finals (A) Norfolk (E2) v Leics (M2). Byes: Hants (W), Salop (M1), Cambs (E1)
Semi-finals (A) v Hants (W); Salop (M1) v Cambs (E1)
U175
Quarter-finals (A) Suffolk (E1) scr w/o Surrey (S2) (As far as we can make out, EACU nominated Suffolk without asking if they wanted to play; and they didn't); (B) Gtr Manchester (M) v Devon (W). Byes: Yorks (N), Essex (S1)
Semi-finals Yorks (N) v Surrey (S2); (B) v Essex (S1)
U150
Quarter-finals (A) Warwicks (M1) v Herts (S2); (B) Lancs (N1) v Cambs (E2); (C) Essex (S1) 5½ 10½ Notts (M2); (D) Norfolk (E1) v Yorks (N2)
Semi-finals (A) v (B); (D) v Notts (M2)
U125
Preliminary Lancs (N2) 5 11 Leics (M3)
Quarter-finals (A) Warwicks (M1) v Sussex (S2); (B) Middx (S1) v Hants (W); (C) Cleveland (N1) scr w/o Worcs (M2); (D) Norfolk (E) v Leics (M3)
Semi-finals (D) v (B); Worcs (M2) v (A)
U100
Quarter-finals (A) Warwicks (M1) 4½ 7½ Herts (S2); (B) Lancs (N) v Notts (M2); (C) Surrey (S1) v Norfolk (E2); (D) Suffolk (E1) v Staffs (M3)
Semi-finals Herts (S2) v (D); (C) v (B)
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Surrey* |
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Warwicks |
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Stephen Berry 215 (B)
Graeme Buckley 216
Ian Sharpe 208
Richard F Holmes
Chris Briscoe 186
Yang-Fan Zhou 183
Russell Granat 195
Keith Richardson 187
Sam Franklin 163
David Rowson 184
Marcus Osborne 183
Robin Haldane 183
James Coleman 181
Alan Punnett 175
Dan Rosen 174
Alain Dekker 174
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1 0
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½ ½
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½ ½
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Nicholas Thomas 208
Donald Mason 198
Tony M Hynes 188
Russell James 180
Tristan Cox 186
Iain Galloway 178
Mark Page 183
Stewart Fishburne 170
Andrew Baruch 173
Keith Escott 181
Alan Lloyd 166
Keith Ingram 160
Mike Donnelly 166
Robert Wildig 156
Colin Eckloff 148
Ed Goodwin 153
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10½ 5½ |
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Essex* |
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Notts |
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Nayeem Syed 149 (W)
Ken Clow 147
Neville Twitchell 144
Rod Johnson 144
Paul Barclay 143
John Philpott 145
Mark Murrell 139
Gavin Strachan 139
David Brock 133
Charlton Siddo 137
Malcolm Kingsley 137
David Smith 134
Alan Riddoch 135
Ian Morgan 124
Tom Winter 123
Jeff MacWain 117
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Alex Combie 148
Will Place 147
Tim A Lane 145
Kevin Harvey 143
Steve Hunter 141
Brian Thompson 141
Drag Sudar 138
Brian Hayward 136
Bill Ray 137
David Toms 138
Stan Cranmer 132
Neil Graham 129
Jonathan Day 127
John Tassi 128
Bob Taylor 129
Keith Roper 126
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5½ 10½ |
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Warwicks |
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Herts* |
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Kim Gilbert 97 (W)
Malcolm Phipps 96
Robert Statham 96
Pauline Woodward 94
John Green 94
Kegan Harrison 93
Dennis Horsley 93
Graham Gee 90
Steven Bowen 89
John Pakenham 86
David Rowe 81
Shakeel Choudhary 37
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Roger Kearns 99
Terry Douse 99
Graham Williams 96
Barrie Saunders 93
Ian Leighton 93
Andrew Maclaren 86
Neil Rashbrook 86
David Hobden 86
Ian Riddoch 57
Terry O’Sullivan 81
Kidge Elder 77
Corinne Mountford 73
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4½ 7½ |
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* Bd 5. We understand that the Warwicks player played an illegal move, and the game was declared lost for him on a ruling by another Warwicks player. (Incorrectly of course, if that is really what happened, and we gather there is a possibility Warwicks may "appeal". But both sides seem to have accepted it at the time.)
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THE ORIGINAL DRAW
as published 15.2.08
is reproduced here for the record, together with comments we made in February and March. The rules of the competition require the draw to be made in January.
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The [15.2.08] draw is described as "provisional". We're not sure what this means (but see Notes below). Where a qualifier is known we have filled its name in. Be aware that our information on this comes from various sources and may not be official.
OPEN
Prelim (1) W2 M3; (2) E2 v Surrey (S2)
Quarter-finals (A) W1 v Herts (S1); (B) E1 v Warwickshire (M2); (C) Gtr Manchester (M1) v winner of (2); (D) Lancs (N) v winner of (1)
Semi-finals (B) v (A); (D) v (C)
A curiosity. S1 and S2 have no home matches between them. Not even if they go all the way and play each other in the Final.
MINOR COUNTIES
"Still awaiting all entries. Draw to be made in April 2008."
U175
Semi-finals Essex (S1) v Yorks (N); Gtr Manchester (M) v Surrey (S2)
U150
Quarter-finals (A) W1 v Herts (S2); (B) Lancs (N) v Cambs (E2); (C) Essex (S1) v Warwicks (M); (D) Norfolk (E1) v W2
Semi-finals (A) v (B); (D) v (C)
U125
Quarter-finals (A) M1 E2; (B) N M2; (C) Middx (S1) v Leicestershire (M3); (D) E1 v Sussex (S2)
Semi-finals (D) v (B); (C) v (A)
U100
Quarter-finals (A) Warwicks (M1) v Herts (S2); (B) Lancs (N) v Notts (M2); (C) Surrey (S1) v Norfolk (E2); (D) Suffolk (E1) v Staffs (M3)
Semi-finals (A) v (D); (C) v (B)
Notes
16.2.08, amended 17.2.08, 18.2.08, 23.2.08 (and see "The state of play" below)
Any opinions expressed here are your Webmaster's.
Open. Are MCCU entitled to three nominations? Surely not. They have eight teams in "open" competition, but in two groups of four: an Open group and a Minor group. Only four teams are competing for nomination in the Open.
It is very unusual, perhaps unheard of, for EACU and WECU to make two nominations each. In fact the last time either of them nominated anyone was in 2004-5 when Somerset defaulted their only match. We can't help wondering about this year's entries.
U175. We hear that Devon, who always play, had expected a WECU presence in the draw. This information cannot have reached the Controller.
U150. If MCCU are over-represented in the Open, they are under-represented here. They have five teams in their U150 section. This is worth two nominations in anyone's book. Note 22.2.08. We hear from the MCCU that the Controller has accepted their claim to a second nomination (which we note will be Notts). The revised draw will appear when it appears (see "The state of play" below).
Why have NCCU only got one nomination? Their three entries - Lancs, Yorks & Cumbria - would seem to entitle them to two. We wondered at first if Yorks really counted, considering that their only match was a fiasco against Lancs at which only three of their players turned up. But we hear they have since played Cumbria and beaten them.
U125 (late note 30.3.08). It appears the NCCU competition comprised four teams, so there ought to be an N2.
The State of Play
as notified by the Controller to the MCCU 22.2.08
"The next update for the draw on the website will be at the end of March with a final provisional (sic) draw being sent to all unions shortly before."
The new State of Play
as notified, not very prominently, on the ECF website 20.3.08
"The actual draw for 2008 will be made in early April, the provisional draw below is only a matter of indication and hence can be subject to significant changes."
The provisional draw shown is the one published on 15th February.
The new State of Play confirmed
Gleaned 30.3.08 from the MCCU website: "It has come to my attention recently that many counties are starting to arrange matches for the National stages of the CC08 when the confirmed draw for CC08 has not been published. Provisional means that it is an indication and therefore subject to significant changes should it be necessary. Hence, please do not organise or play any matches until I have sent you details of the National stages and the confirmed draw." - Andrew Moore, Manager of Home Services.
The culprits can't all be MCCU teams, but as far as we know this notice has not appeared elsewhere.
The new State of Play: fresh intelligence
From National Controller to SCCU Controller 5.4.08, in response to a query:
"All clubs required to play a pre-lim match have already been contacted are the matches are already in progress. I am still awaiting just a couple of results playing this weekend, sanctioned by me and hence the draw wil be sent out very soon and all counties will be given ample notice to arrange matches."
The new State of Play: Postscript to fresh intelligence
From National Controller to SCCU Controller 6.4.08, in response to a further query: "The only Pre-lim match taking place is in the U125 section - Lancs at home against Leics. Tie to be played by Sunday 27th April."
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